Unknown Havermann

I ran into my older sister's genealogy post on an Unknown Havermann yesterday and I was wondering how it ever came to this. Back in 2010 we had a brief email discussion on the matter (I've made some of my reply-text bold for emphasis):

16 Nov 2010

I read with interest your blog on our family tree. I am amazed that you were able to go back that far. Question: Generation V: Heinrich (living with his mother in 1900) +

[The Generation-V link is a 2022-updated page. The + is a date-of-death marker. In 2010, I did not yet know that date. I have a Neheim1900 excerpt that lists only some family names.]

I have a Heinrich who was a child of Sette – born: Jan.30/1901; died: Feb.26/1922 which seems to be at odds with your information that he was a child of Heinrich Havermann and Maria Messelke. Perhaps we are talking about another Heinrich?

17 Nov 2010 reply

My Heinrich came directly from dad's Stammbuch. I had scanned a copy of it for my computer but I have since lost that file because of a hard drive failure a couple of years ago. You will have to look at the original (assuming it wasn't thrown out). The residents-living-in-Neheim-in-1900 list basically confirms the existence of that person. He is old enough to be a Fabrikarbeiter and indeed, because his father died in 1876, he would have been at least 24 years old then.

18 Nov 2010

Thanks for your email clarifying my inquiry. I do have the "Ahnenpass". This seems to be a booklet that belonged to the relatives in Wattenscheid. Is this the same as the "Stammbuch" that you are referring to. I am willing to share the information with you if you want. Let me know.

18 Nov 2010 reply

[to part 1] Yes, that sounds like it. It does have Heinrich as a son of Heinrich, does it not?
[to part 2] No. I have all the information I need.

On my end, Heinrich wasn't an "unknown" (birthdate "estimated between 1844 and 1900"). He was Heinrich Anton, born 30 Jan 1876, three days before his father's death! Is it any wonder that his mother named him after his father? He died 26 Feb 1922. I don't know if he ever married or had children, but my sister listed a son, Heinrich (30 Jan 1901 - 26 Feb 1922), which perversely mirrors the actual Heinrich's particulars except for the year of birth. My sister suggested that Heinrich might have been a child of Sette but that would have made him a Rademacher, not a Havermann (an actual Heinrich Rademacher was 1907-1945).

I'm having difficulty finding a lot of my original sources for all this. Heinrich Anton's birth year of 1876 is in the Stadt- und Landständearchiv im Kloster Wedinghausen (Alphabetisches Register, 1874 - 1879). I'm pretty sure that I had found a reference to his Helden Friedhof burial in a book that corroborates his birth year but I've been unable to re-discover it.

Anyways, I just wanted this on the record in case some future researcher is confused by the geni.com misinformation. As mentioned in a previous blog, I have an extended Havermann family text chart and, as well, a slightly more limited pictorial chart. But beware. The "chesswanks" links are files on my computer and will likely disappear after my death.

Addendum:

I've located an online database that nets me for "Heinrich Havermann" three hits in "Verlustlisten 1. Weltkrieg". All three are "Neheim, Arnsberg":

1. page 13403, leicht verwundet (Preußen 582, Infanterie-Regiment 88, 1916-07-17)

2. page 16938, 30.1.76, l.v. (Preußen 718, 1916-12-23)

3. page 19351, 30.1.76, schwer v. (Preußen 870, 1917-06-28)

I can't assume that the first is necessarily the same person as the other two since it lacks the birth date identifier. However, the birth dates for #2 and #3 match that of Heinrich Anton and suggest that the serious wounding of #3 may have put him out of the war permanently.